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Наградно прашање - од каде потекнува Александар Велики?

Најверојатно веќе до сите стигнала веста за квизот во Велика Британија, ама заситеноста од точниот одговор никако да се престане! Александар Македонски - нека му е еднаш...

 

...јасно на цел свет, потекнува од Македонија.
Овие луѓе најверојатно после целава актуелност а и изгубената финансиска можност, никогаш нема да заборават за историјата на Македонскиот народ, а е добра лекција и за сите скептици и непознавачи на Македонската историја.


Со надеж дека се работи за заемно задоволство, уште еднаш клипот од овој настан:




Кога сме веќе на оваа тема и се потсетуваме, ајде да го видиме клипот каде првиот претседател на РМ г-динот Киро Глигоров дава изјава дека ние немаме никаква врска со цивилизацијата на Александар Македонски:


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напишано од некој што ја знае историјата, 13 May 2010
Добро бе Го4е отвори историја и ќе разбереш дека Словените кога се населувале на Балканот од 8-11 век, воделе војни со Античките Македонци (што мислиш дека на Балканот немало ништо, па Словените само дошле и се населиле?). Еден дел од Античките Македонци изумреле, еден дел се сокриле на високите планински места (како Власите во Крушево) и го зачувале својот етнички идентитет и еден дел се измешале со Словените. Делот од Античките Македонци што се измешал со Словените, од Словените го примил словенското писмо (глаголица и кирилица) и почнал да се нарекува со едно име МАКЕДОНЦИ.

Така не биди под влијание на Грците или кој било друг. Научи ја историјата. АЛЕКСАНДАР БИЛ МАКЕДОНЕЦ - МАКЕДОНИЈА ЗАСЕКОГАШ
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напишано од hhhhhhhh, 26 April 2010
of lele sto znaesh be ti go4e, dan poteknues od grcka slucajno
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напишано од Го4е, 16 April 2010
Според мене, ние немаме врска со Александар. Сите добро знаеме дека ние сме словени...а познато ни е дека словените ја населиле оваа територија 8-9 века после смртта на Александар. Точно, Александар е роден во Пела, а тој град бил дел од античката Македонија, но тој јазик е сосема различен од јазикот на словените и навистина немаат никаква поврзаност smilies/smiley.gif
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напишано од jas, 28 March 2010
ha ha ha arno ovie britancive ne gi zemaa parite na kvizot taka tie e koga bez skolo se, neinformirani edni!!! smilies/grin.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
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напишано од jas, 28 March 2010
aleksandar makedonski e makednoec!!! JASNO!!!!smilies/smiley.gif
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напишано од ...., 17 February 2010
Aaleksandar e makedoneccccccccccsmilies/smiley.gifsmilies/smiley.gifsmilies/smiley.gifsmilies/smiley.gifsmilies/smiley.gifsmilies/smiley.gif
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напишано од makedonija, 23 December 2009
hahahhaha......smrt za grcija smilies/cool.gif
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напишано од do grcinot od solun , 18 December 2009
[20] [Alexander speaks to his Macedonians] "Where is that shout of yours that shows your enthusiasm? Where that characteristic look of my Macedonians?" [p.217]

[21] "Starting with Macedonia, I now have power over Greece; I have brought Thrace and the Illyrians under my control; rule the Triballi and the Maedi. I have Asia in my possession from the Hellespont to the Red Sea." [p.227]

[22] At a banquet prepared by Alexander for the ambassadors of certain tribes from India, among the invited guest present was the Macedonian Horratas and the Greek boxer named Dioxippus. Now at the feast the Macedonian Horratas who was already drunk, began to make insulting comments to Dioxippus and to challenge him, if he were a man, to fight a duel. Dioxippus agreed and the two men fought rather short fight with Dioxippus emerging a victor. A huge crowd of soldiers, including the Greeks, supported Dioxippus. "The outcome of the show dismayed Alexander, as well as the Macedonian soldiers, especially since the barbarians had been present, for he feared that a mockery had been made of the celebrated Macedonian valour." [p.229]

[23] "But destiny was already bringing civil war upon the Macedonian nation." [p.254]

[24] "The customary purification of the soldiers by the Macedonian kings involved cutting a bitch in two and throwing down her entrails on the left and right at the far end of the plain into which the army was to be led. Then all the soldiers would stand within that area, cavalry in one spot, phalanx in another." [p.255] [Another Macedonian custom]

The difference between ancient Macedonians and the ancient Greeks is obvious. It is not a matter for debate. Language, customs, traditions and the every-day soldier’s behavior, all point to two distinct and separate ethnic groups. In short, the ancient Macedonians were simply that – Macedonians, and the Greeks were foreign people next to them.



do you think still that alexander is a greek king ? and yes this is all the document facts , from ancient books .
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напишано од do grcinot od solun , 18 December 2009
[11] "In capital cases it was a long-established Macedonian practice for the king to conduct the trial while the army (or the commons in peace-time) acted as jury, and the position of the king counted for nothing unless his influence had been substantial prior to the trial." [p.135] [Another Macedonian custom]

[12] Alexander speaks: "The Macedonians are going to judge your case," he said. "Please state whether you will use your native language before them."

Philotas: "Besides the Macedonians, there are many present who, I think, will find what I am going to say easier to understand if I use the language you yourself have been using, your purpose, I believe, being only to enable more people to understand you."

Then the king said: "Do you see how offensive Philotas find even his native language? He alone feels an aversion to learning it. But let him speak as he pleases - only remember he as contemptuous of our way of life as he is of our language." [p.138]

[This is again Alexander himself clearly separates the Macedonian as an independent language and the Macedonian way of life, from the Greek language and the Greek way of life which Philotas had referred to be the diplomatic language in the Macedonian court]

[13] "The general feeling was that Philotas should be stoned to death according to Macedonian customs, but Hephaestion, Craterus, and Coenus declared that torture should be employed to force the truth out of him, and those who had advocated other punishment went over to their view." [p.142] [Another Macedonian custom]

[14] "What they feared was the Macedonian law which provided the death penalty also for relatives of people who had plotted against the king." [p.143]

[15] "While Alexander was in stationary camp here, reports arrived from Greece of the insurrection of the Peloponnesians and the Laconians." [Alexander learns about the revolt of the Greeks against the Macedonians]

[16] "Roxane’s father was transported with unexpected delight when he heard Alexander’s words, and the king, in the heat of passion, ordered bread to be brought, in accordance with their traditions, for this was the most sacred symbol of betrothal among the Macedonians." [p.187] [Another Macedonian custom]

[17] [Alexander attempts to appropriate divine honours to himself] "He wished to be believed, not just called, the son of Jupiter, as if it were possible for him to have as much control over men’s minds as their tongues, and to give orders for the Macedonians to follow the Persian customs in doing homage to him by prostrating themselves on the ground. To feed this desire of his there was no lack of pernicious flattery - over the course of royalty, whose power is often subverted by adulation than by an enemy. Nor were the Macedonians to blame for this, for none of them could bear the slightest deviation from tradition; rather it was the Greeks, whose corrupt ways had also debased the profession of the liberal arts." [p.187-8] [Macedonian traditions, this passage above, without any ambiguity, strongly implies that the ancient Macedonians were distinct ethnic group of people markedly differed from the Greeks.]

[18] "Accordingly, one festive day, Alexander had a sumptuous banquet organized so that he could invite not only his principle friends among the Macedonians and Greeks but also the enemy nobility." [p.188] [Greeks and Macedonians clearly separated]

[19] [The trial of Hermolaus] "As for you Callisthenes, the only person to think you a man (because you are an assassin), I know why you want him brought forward. It is so that the insult which sometimes uttered against me and sometimes heard from him can be repeated by his lips before this gathering. Were he a Macedonian I would have introduced him here along with you - a teacher truly worth of his pupil. As it is, he is an Olynthian and does not enjoy the same rights." [p.195]

[Calisthenes could not be brought in front of the army (the jury), because he was a Greek and not a Macedonian. Callisthenes’ ethnicity is of primary significance here. Similarly, Eumenes’ ethnicity was the primary determining factor in the final outcome. It is also suggested in Plutarch Eum. 3.1, where Eumenes expresses his belief that, being a foreigner, he had no right to take sides in the dispute which broke out among the Macedonians over the succession to Alexander after the latter’s death. Furthermore, in Diodoros’ narrative 19.13.1 Seleucos urges Eumenes’ officers and men to desert him because he is a foreigner, who, furthermore, has killed many Macedonians. The wealth of evidence supporting the fact that ancient Macedonians were a separate ethnos from the Greeks is overwhelming. Eumenes and Callisthenes, being foreigners, foreign born individuals - Greeks, did not stand a chance among the Macedonians. At the end, their Greek ethnicity cost them their lives.]
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напишано од do grcinot od solun , 18 December 2009
[6] "There is a report that, after the king had completed the Macedonian custom of marking out the circular boundary for the future city-walls with barley-meal, flocks of birds flew down and fed on the barley. Many regarded this as unfavorable omen, but the verdict of the seers was that the city would have a large immigrant population and would provide the means of livelihood to many countries." [p.69] [The Macedonians had their own distinct customs]

[7] "As it happened, Alexander had been sent from Macedonia a present of Macedonian clothes and a large quantity of purple material." [p.97] [Macedonian clothes, and purple material. (Macedonian customs 2) Macedonians dressed differently than the Greeks. One very peculiar feature being the kautsia, the well known Macedonian hat.]

[8] "...but the king’s conscience would not permit him to leave his men unburied, for by Macedonian convention there is hardly any duty in military life as binding as burial of one’s dead." [p.100]

[9] Inflamed with greed for kingship, Bessus and Nabarzanes now decided to carry out the plan they had long been hatching. [The plot to kill Darius the III.] "If, as they feared, Alexander rejected their treacherous overtures, they would murder Darius and head for Bactria with the troops of their own people. However, open arrest of Darius was impossible because the Persians, many thousands strong would come to the aid of their king, and the loyalty of the Greeks also caused apprehension." [p.111] [The Greeks remained loyal to Persia and against Alexander and his Macedonians to the end]

[9] Patron, the Greek commander, speaks with Darius: "Your Majesty", said Patron, "we few are all that remain of 50,000 Greeks. We were all with you in your more fortunate days, and in your present situation we remain as we were when you were prospering, ready to make for and to accept as our country and our home any lands you choose. We and you have been drawn together both by your prosperity and your adversity. By this inviolable loyalty of ours I beg and beseech you: pitch your tent in our area of the camp and let us be your bodyguards. We have left Greece behind; for us there is no Bactria; our hopes rest entirely in you - I wish that were true of the others also! Further talk serves no purpose. As a foreigner born of another race I should not be asking for the responsibility of guarding your person if I thought anyone else could do it." [p.112-13]

[50,000 strong Greeks were with Darius fighting the Macedonians, while Alexander took only 7,000 Greeks next to his Macedonians which served as "hostages" and "were potential trouble makers", (Green) which he got rid of only when he learned that the re*ellion in Greece against the Macedonian occupation forces there was suppressed (Badian, Borza). The fact that 50,000 Greeks were fighting Alexander’s Macedonians shows clearly that their loyalty and their numerical superiority lies with Darius and his Persians, not with Alexander and his Macedonians. As Peter Green puts it: "if this was a Greek conquest where were the Greek troops?" Alexander’s conquest can not therefore be at all a Greek conquest, but simply a Macedonian conquest.]

[10] "Men! If you consider the scale of our achievements, your longing for peace and your weariness of brilliant campaigns are not at all surprising. Let me pass over the Illyrians, the Triballians, Boeotia, Thrace, Sparta, the Aecheans, the Peloponnese - all of them subdued under my direct leadership or by campaigns conducted under my orders of instructions." [p.121-22]

[The Greeks of Boeotia, Sparta, Aechea, Peloponnese - "all of them subdued"; Alexander himself cleraly considers Greece subdued, not united]
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напишано од do grcinot od solun , 18 December 2009
Quintus Curtius Rufus
Roman Historian
The History of Alexander - Penguin Classics

Translation by John Yardley



[1] "Alexander meanwhile dealt swiftly with the unrest in Greece - not only did the Athenians rejoice at Philip’s death, but the Aetolians, the Thebans, as well as Spartans and the Peloponnesians, were ready to throw off the Macedonian yoke. (Diod. 17.3.3-5) - and he marched south into Thessaly, demanding the loyalty of its people in the name of their common ancestors, Achilles (Justin 11.3.1-2; cf. Diod. 17.4.1). And with speed and diplomacy Alexander brought the Thebans and Athenians into submission (Diod. 17.4.4-6) [p.20]

[The "unrest in Greece" encompasses all the city-states in Greece. These city-states were ready to throw off the Macedonian yoke. Here we have a clear delineation between Greek city-states, who were the conquered party, and Macedonia, the conqueror. This quote in a very unambiguous way illustrates how pitiful and ridiculous is the modern Greeks’ position when they claim, or equate, Macedonia as being one of, or the same as, the Greek city states. "Thebans and Athenians into submission" means one thing: Greece was won by the spear; it was a war of conquest. Therefore, modern Greeks’ position that Alexander "united" the Greek city-states, rests on euphemistic foundation, and as such, has no validity with historical justice. Bottom line is, that there was no "unification" of the Greek states by Alexander or his father Philip II. When one "unifies" one does not force submission of the subjects. When one unifies, there is no "yoke" to be thrown off.]

[2] "It was decided to raze the city to the ground as a lesson to all Greek states which contemplated re*ellion." [p.21] [Point of interest: "as a lesson to all Greek states". This statement indicates that Macedonia was not, and could not be included in Greece, for Macedonia was the one "giving" the lesson.]

[3] "Alexander also referred to his father, Philip, conqueror of Athenians, and recalled to their minds the recent conquest of Boeotia and the annihilation of its best known city." [p.41]

[4] Alexander, in a letter, responds to Darius: "His Majesty Alexander to Darius: Greetings. The Darius whose name you have assumed wrought utter destruction upon the Greek inhabitants of the Hellespontine coast and upon the Greek colonies of Ionia, and then crossed the sea with a mighty army, bringing the war to Macedonia and Greece." [p.50-1] [Alexander here himself clearly separates Greece from Macedonia]

[5] "From here the Macedonians crossed to Mitylene which had been recently seized by the Athenian Chares, and was now held by him with a garrison of Persians, 2,000 strong. Unable to withstand the siege, Chares surrendered the city on condition that he be allowed to leave in safety, after which he made for Imbros. The Macedonians spared those who surrender." [p.63]

["Athenian" Chares with 2,000 of Persian soldiers fighting against Alexander’s Macedonians. Another example of Greeks fighting against Macedonia. If this was a war to revenge Greece from Persia, Greeks would have not have fighting on the side of the Persians against the Macedonians. The truth is that they hated the Macedonians more for conquering Greece, then they did the Persians.]





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напишано од do grcinot od solun , 18 December 2009
The ancient Greeks did not regard the Macedonians as Greeks, nor the Macedonians regarded themselves to be Greek. They were proud of their Macedonian nationality and way of life, and looked down upon the Greeks and with contempt. The Greeks called them barbarians, along with the Persians, Illyrians, and Thracians, a label that they attributed to all non-Greeks who neither spoke nor understood the Greek language. Alexander's Macedonian Army was not a "Greek army" as some modern writers have erroneously claimed, nor the Macedonian conquest of Asia was a "Greek conquest". The fact is that not one ancient writer has called the Macedonian empire "Greek" or the Macedonian army and conquest "Greek", but specifically Macedonian. When Rome clashed with Macedonia, the Macedonians were ordered by the Romans to evacuate from the whole of Greece and withdraw to Macedonia. They were hated by the Greeks ever since Philip II defeated the Greeks at Chaeronea in 338 BC and brought Greece to its kneel, and the Greeks fought fiercely, first on the side of the Persians and later on the side of the Romans to expel the Macedonians from their country. Too late would they realize that the Macedonian occupation would only be replaced by the Roman. In between the Greeks fought many unsuccessful wars against the Macedonians to drive them out of Greece, among which the Lamian War is the most famous. It should be noted that the Lamian War was triggered by the death of Alexander the Great, which encouraged the Greeks to re*el.




"Macedonians were babrbarians and bigest enemy's of hellens".
Psuedo Herod. Peri politeias.,pp.34-37



"Do we need,hellens,to be slaves of arhelay the barbarian?"
Tuk.,2,8,1; Isokrat,5,108 and Clemens Alexandrinus,Stromates, 6,2,17

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напишано од do grcinot od solun , 18 December 2009
"The use of barbaros [barbarians] is problematic, although it would appear that he normally includes at least some of the Macedonians in this category. See 4.125.3 and Gomme, Comm. Thuc.,3:613,615 and 616 on Thuc. 4.124.1, 126.3 and 126.5 respectively.
"Both Herodotus and Thucydides describe the Macedonians as foreigners, a distinct people living outside of the frontiers of the Greek city-states"

Livy
Roman Historian
Athenian people and their allies, their armies and navies, they should on every occasion HEAP CURSES and execrations on Philip, his family and his realm, his forces on land and sea, AND THE WHOLE RACE AND NAME OF THE MACEDONIANS."
In conclusion one must remember the following:

(a) The ancient Greeks regarded the ancient Macedonians as foreigners.

(b) They regarded the ancient Macedonians as people of different race.

(c) They regarded the ancient Macedonians as barbarians, as people who enslaved the Greeks.
It is apparent that ancient Greeks did not consider the ancient Macedonians as Greeks. Modern Greeks' assertion that ancient Macedonians were Greeks is constantly undermined by the view of the ancients. The fact remains that ancient Macedonians were just that – Macedonians

Thrasymachus
On Behalf of the Lariasaeans
"Shell we being Greeks, be slaves to Archelaus, a barbarian?"

This line the Greek Thrasymachus attributed to the Macedonian king Archelaus who occupied Greek land with his Macedonian army. Since the ancient Greeks stereotyped and called all non-Greeks barbarian, it is clear that Thrasymachus does not consider neither the Macedonian king nor his nation to be Greek, but foreigners to the ancient Greek world.
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напишано од do grcinot od solun , 18 December 2009
Macedonians were Barbarians or Philhelene quotes We know for a fact that the ancient Greeks stereotyped and called all non-Greeks barbarians. These included the Persians, the Thracians, Illyrians, Macedonians, etc.


Diodorus Siculus
Ancient Greek Historian
Athenian people, convinced that all Greece was the common fatherland of the Greeks, had fought by see against those (Macedonian) barbarians who had invaded Greece to enslave her, and that now too Athens believed it necessary to risk lives and money and ships in defense of the common safety of the Greeks."

Plutarch
Ancient Greek Historian
The Age of Alexander
What better can we say about jealousies, and that league and conspiracy of the Greeks for their own mischief, which arrested fortune in full career, and turned back arms that were already uplifted against the barbarians to be used against themselves

Herodotus
But--following Herodotus--the stade- race competitors at Olympia thought the Macedonian was a foreigner (Hdt. 5.22: barbaros) Second, for his effort on behalf of the Greek cause against the Persians Alexander is known as "Philhellene". Now this is kind of odd to call a Greek a "friend of the Greeks". "This title", writes Borza, "is normally reserved for non-Greeks".
I would like to offer another episode, reported by Herodotus, which clearly indicates that ancient Greeks did not regard the ancient Macedonians as brethren. Episodes like this stand in sharp contrast to today's claims propagated by modern Greeks. The Persian armies were ready and poised to strike Greece. Greek allies were assembled and prepared to defend their nation. Mardonius, the Persian commander, sends Alexander I to Athens with a message. On his arrival to Athens as Mardonius' ambassador Alexander spoke to the Athenians urging them to accept the terms offered by Mardonius. In Sparta, the news that Alexander brought message from the Great King, caused great consternation. Sparta feared that an alliance between Athens and Persia was in the making. She, then, quickly rushed an envoy to Athens herself. As it happened, Alexander I and the Spartan envoy had their audience at the same time.When Alexander I was done the Spartan envoy s spoke in their turn: "Do not let Alexander's smooth-sounding version of Mardonius' proposals seduce you; he does only what one might expect of him--a despot himself, of course he collaborates with a despot. But such conduct is not for you - at least, not if you are wise; for surely you know that in foreigners there is neither truth nor trust." (Hdt. 8.142) [Please note the reference to Alexander I as a foreigner who is neither truthful nor trustworthy.]

Ernst Badian - Studies in the History of Art Vol 10: Macedonia and Greece in Late Classical Early Hellenistic Times:
"We have no way of judging the authenticity of either the claim or the evidence that went with it, but it is clear that at the time the decision was not easy. There were outraged protests from the other competitors, who rejected Alexander I as a barbarian--which proves, at least, that the Temenid descent and the royal genealogy had hitherto been an isoteric item of knowledge

Badian sums it up:"As a matter of fact, there is reason to think that at least some even among Alexander I's friends and supporters had regarded the Olympic decision as political rather than factual--as a reward for services to the Hellenic cause rather than as prompted by genuine belief in the evidence he had adduced. We find him described in the lexicographers, who go back to fourth-century sources, as "Philhellene",--surely not an appellation that could be given to an actual Greek."

Demosthenes
Greek Orator

"... not only no Greek, nor related to the Greeks, but not even a barbarian from any place that can be named with honors, but a pestilent knave from Macedonia, whence it was never yet possible to buy a decent slave" - Demosthenes, Third Philippic, 31. The famous words that this Greek orator from Athens used to describe the Macedonian king Philip II, the father of Alexander the Great, prior to Philip’s conquest of Greece.


Thucydides
Greek Commander and Historian
"In all there were about three thousand Hellenic heavy infantry, accompanied by all the Macedonian cavalry with the Chalcidians, near one thousand strong, besides an immense crowd of barbarians." (Thucydides 4.124)
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напишано од do grcinot od solun , 18 December 2009
Macedonia was a kingdom and not a Greek State. We know for a fact that the ancient Greeks stereotyped and called all non-Greeks barbarians. These included the Persians, the Thracians, Illyrians, Macedonians, etc.

BARBARIAN: The term originates in the ancient Greek civilization, meaning "anyone who is not Greek". Comparable notions are found in non-European civilizations. Greek word βάρβαρος (bárbaros). The word is onomatopoeic, the bar-bar representing the impression of random hubbub produced by hearing a spoken language that one cannot understand, similar to blah blah, babble The Greeks used the term as they encountered scores of different foreign cultures, including the Egyptians, Persians, Celts, Germans, Phoenicians, Etruscans, Carthaginians and Macedonians

There are many examples using ancient historian Quotes together with modern Historian views that Macedonians were a distinct Nation from the Hellenes.

The Greek orator Demosthenes, spoke of Alexander the Great’s father Philip II as "not only no Greek, nor related to the Greeks, but not even a barbarian from any place that can be named with honors, but a pestilent knave from Macedonia (Demosthenes, Third Philippic, 31).

Macedonians also had there distinct language that is recorded by ancient writers when Alexander the Great would use to address his soldiers using his mother tongue.

King Philip invaded tthe ancient Greek states just as he did with many other regions that came under the Macedonian Rule. Which once Alexander the Great died, The Kingdom deminished due to the Hellenes displeasure at being ruled by Macedonian Barbarians.

King Philip adopted the koine language for administrative and trade purpose. For reasons that the Ancient Hellene was a universal language around that period which is why its now known as 'Ancient Greek Period'. This is why you would find Ancient Artifact with Ancient Greek inscriptions from many parts of the world but yet these regions are not and never have been known as Greek.

First and foremost one must keep in mind that the language used by people does not by itself identify their ethnicity. We communicate in English, and we all come from different ethnic backgrounds. South American countries use the Spanish language, (Brazil excluded), and yet, not everyone is Spanish. History is replete with examples where people speak the same language yet identify themselves as ethnically different.


Professor Ernst Badian from Harvard University writes:
"The idea that a nation is essentially defined by a language and that, conversely a common language means a common Nationhood - which is patently untrue for the greater part of human history and to a large extent even today".
("Studies in the History of Art Vol. 10: Macedonia and Greece in late classical and early Hellenistic Times".)
[The implicit assumption is that ethnicity is determined and/or identified through a common language. This pattern of thinking continues further through the implication that ancient Macedonians spoke Greek, and therefore, they were Greeks. Consequently, everything that has been identified as "Macedonian"- is Greek, including, most importantly, the name itself.]


Fourth century silver coins from the Persian province of 'Yehud' imitate "Greek issues for trading with the Greeks." There had already been Greek influence in Judea as early as the fifth century B.C., and many Jews especially the wealthy ones from the towns of Seleucia and Gadara, were prepared to accept a measure of Hellenism. Even in Judea "Greek was rapidly becoming the language of government and big business." Furthermore, the pro-Hasmonean books I and II Maccabees, though totally pro Jewish, were written in Greek. Jews in Alexandria used the Greek language extensively; "On the Kings of Judea" was written in Greek by a certain Demetrius.
Thracian silver coins and vessels from the fifth century B.C. bear Greek inscriptions, and yet, the Greek archeologists have never claimed this people as Greek. Late eighteenth century nobility in Russia and Germany used the French language as a mode of communication. Were they proclaiming their french nationality? Therefore, we must ask ourselves: Where do we draw the line? With what precision and certainty, do we ascribe Greek ethnic character to the Ancient Macedonians when we are confronted with such overwhelming analogous evidence?

The lesson is clear: the use of the Greek language as a form of written expression does not by itself identify the ethnicity of a culture".
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напишано од grkot od thessaloniki...., 17 December 2009
ohi re kotitzaki mu, ola ta istorija ine eki sti ellada, ke ola grafi denehi makedonia, ehi kenurio neo makedonia, ala ine pgdm!!! ego meno edo sti skopia , centro !! ime miso skopianos ke miso ellenas. edo ehi mono ena problem me alvanos !!!
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напишано од Еми, 17 December 2009
Ekei pio pano einai Makedonia file smilies/wink.gifSignomI alla eisai latos.
Haeiritismous apo Skopia, Makedonia
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напишано од grkot od thessaloniki...., 16 December 2009
eci ine file eci ine !!!!!
alitia ine !!!!
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напишано од petros apo salonika !!!, 16 December 2009
to makedonia ine mono ena , afto edo sti ellada ine makedonia !!!
eki pjo pano denine makedonia , eki ine FYROM !!!!!
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напишано од iO, 15 December 2009
Гледам го владееш македонскиот јазик.
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напишано од grkot od thessaloniki...., 15 December 2009
OGROMNA PROSTOTIJA ZIVEE VO FYROM!!!
GRCIJA E NAJSTARATA DRZAVA VO SVETOT A ALEKSANDAR THE GREAT BIL I KE OSTANE EDEN I EDINSTVEN GRK !!!
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напишано од mone, 12 December 2009
taka e - aco nash - golem maz! smilies/cheesy.gif
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напишано од Bo...., 12 December 2009
Okejj lugee sega... Jas kako Makedonec si vikam deka Aleksandar e Makedonec ali neznam od kade toa koga Aristotel e negov ucitel i sl... ali kako i da e batali toaa Aleksandar e Makedonec smilies/tongue.gif
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напишано од нвм, 03 December 2009
што се замараат толку ја не знам..оставете.. шо? ни треба уште една зграда да изградиме??Доволно е местото,а џабе водиме војна со грциве коа александар велики бил и македонец и грк.. тогаш све било еднно бре!! (:
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напишано од nepoznat , 14 September 2009
Abe kao nekoj deca mali od po 4 godini se gospode zlaten se karaat se tepaat za toa koj sto bil toa ti e pored 1000 godini mesto da napraat i dvete strani nekoj dogovor so ke 4ini za dvete drzavi ne deka ako na 2013 so dogovort ni se vrate po dogovr nasiot del sto e potpadnat pod grcija ke ni go vratat ili ke si go zememe samo ova se stremi kon neso pogolemo primer VOJNA smilies/smiley.gif nie sme makedonci sto i da sme tie sme smilies/smiley.gif a grcija neka si uziva vo nasiot del sto ke im go odstapime smilies/smiley.gif
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напишано од Be*eTO, 24 August 2009
abre lugje vie svakate li deka GRCITE SMETAAT DEKA ANTICKITE MAKEDONCI SE GRCI!!! a nas ne ne priznavaat kako makedonci poradi toa so ONI SE SMETAAT ZA MAKEDONCITE! SVINJI
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напишано од :], 15 May 2009
Македонија на Македонците. Да живее Македонија. Најдобри сме smilies/cool.gif
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напишано од laki_dza, 30 March 2009
kakO ne aleksandar Od grcija ?!!
luge aj ve mOlam zemete tOa kniGite Po istorija prOlistajte malce niz nashata istOrija za makedOnija pa ke vi stane jasnO dali e [eban] grk (jas se izvinuvam na rechnik,ili makedOnec !!
get alife !



MACEDONIA !!
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напишано од биљана, 26 March 2009
МАКЕДОНИЈА ја има и во библијата!!!!!!!!!!!!
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напишано од aleksandra st., 09 March 2009
more ne mi se veruva deka ima makedonci so ne znmaat deka aleksandar mekedonski e makedonec. Abe sram da im e. Aj ova grcistava smrdeni vikaat deka toj e grk od nekoi niv i nam mnogu dobro poznati pricini a i tie znaat i nie dobro znaeme deka Aleksandra e Makedonec. Sram da mu e na site makedonci nemakedonci predavnici sto vikaat deka aleksandar e grk ,Na site eden den ke im se sudi ama tie taka sto vikaat ke dobijat najgolema kazna
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напишано од Marko, 08 March 2009
Od Pela smilies/cool.gif
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напишано од unnamed, 27 February 2009
More DEJAN da ti ja ebam majkata grchka sho te dade, da ti ebam mozokot shugav rgjosan i predavnichki, krfta da si ja iseres na grcka teritorija da ti ebam, prostakot i na site sto se predavnici a ziveat na Makedonska teritorija, Ako ja sakate grcija odete kaj patlacite grchki sto kurac ziveete tuka A?
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напишано од dejan, 13 February 2009
ej ovoj denis e vo pravo aleksandar e od grcija a ne od makedonija
GREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC
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напишано од denis, 13 February 2009
aleksandar makedonski poteknuva od grcija toa da vie e jasno na site toj ne e makedonec
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напишано од K, 12 February 2009
WOWWWWWW COVECE ZAR E MOZNO VAPIVO (KIRO G.)DA NE SI JA POZNAVA ISTORIJATA SOPSTVENA....STRASNOOOO COVECE
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напишано од K, 12 February 2009
ALEKSANDAR E NAS!!!!!
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напишано од MAKEDONEC , 27 January 2009
Site nie MAKEDONCI sme gostoprimliv narod... i gi prifakjame kako svoi soziteli i onie koi ne se toa (kako shto Aleksandar MAKEDONSKI gi prifakjal porazenite vo svoite redovi). Site drugi koi ne se chuvstvuvaat kako Makedonci i go zloupotrebuvaat nasheto gostoprimstvo i plus se drznuvaat da zboruvaat od imeto na site i javno da ja propagiraat svojata neukost i GLUPOST, VEDNASH da se proteraat!!!!
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напишано од nikola, 11 December 2008
heheh zversko e !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif
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напишано од Gordan, 06 October 2008
Ako sme sloveni i sme dojdeni vo 6 vek, koa sme dosle tuka nemalo nikoj, nemalo makedonci, prazen stan da ne sme nasle, pa imalo be degen eden sme se izmesale, iako po moe ubeduvanje a i spored mnogu stranski institucii kako sto e IGENEA nie sme, sme bile i ke bideme MAKEDONCI, predavniku eden !!!!
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напишано од Baki, 01 October 2008
Gledam denes kolku ni cveta taka da drug pat komentirajte na toa sto e tema i urednicite neka obrnat malce poise vnimanie na komentarite na partiskite clenovi i neka gi prepratat na drugo mesto kade sto se zbiraat partiskite lavcinja smilies/cool.gif
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напишано од Igor P, 01 October 2008
ма тоа треба да се убие! smilies/wink.gif
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напишано од Јово, 01 October 2008
Е од комуњари како киро државава ни цветаше тогашsmilies/grin.gif
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напишано од Makedonka, 30 September 2008
DA ZIVEE MAKEDONIJA!!!

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